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Who's Your Daddy? Challenge

Postby CSquared on April 7th, 2009, 6:27 pm

Edited 2/14/10: to add a father who is Father Time, and to add Food Judge to the service sims list.
Edited 11/11/09: to add a father who is Santa Claus.
Edited 10/11/09: to add a point bonus for babies born before father moves in.
Edited 10/10/09: to add a breakdancer father.
Edited 10/1/09: to add a simself father.
Edited 9/29/09: to add a black sheep father, and to add a point bonus for having all three witch fathers.
Edited 9/23/09: to add a point bonus for starting on an empty lot, and to clarify the no-aspiration-rewards bonus.
Edited 9/19/09: to add a point penalty (-1) if twins never occur, and to add conditions for asking your neighbors to babysit. Oh! And to add an elven-eared dad.
Edited 9/11/09: to add vacation homes to "at home" conceptions, with the provided condition met.
Edited 8/31/09: the challenge can now end NO SOONER than the teening of baby Z, but NO LATER than baby Z's a) going to college or b) entering adulthood. Also, you must interact with the unsavory charlatan to use him as a father. Even if it means getting pickpocketed.

Someone posted on the challenge chat board asking for different spins to put on the 26 pregnancy challenge. Months ago, I wrote this challenge, the Who's Your Daddy? Challenge. I wrote out the rules, intending to post them (on the Exchange, before I discovered Boolprop.com), but then lost interest. I posted them in response to that person's query, so I figured I may as well go ahead and post them here in case anyone wants to try it out. I'll admit that I haven't tried it myself, and I'm sure there are lots of kinks to smooth out in the rules. If you see any, feel free to post here to let me know, so I can update them.

The Who’s Your Daddy? Challenge

I was out in the park, walking my dog, when my mind, ever tuned-in to the Sims, began pondering how I could next challenge myself. This is what I came up with; my apologies if something similar already exists. I searched the Exchange, but came up with only the suggestion of such a challenge, not any actual specifics.

I’m going to apologize at the beginning to everyone who doesn’t have all the EPs. I do, but I’ve tried to make this easily understandable for even those with just the base game, as well as easily expandable for those without it. For enjoyment purposes, I recommend more EPs, the better.

The goal of this challenge is to create a family with 26 children, or, rather, 26 pregnancies, each of which has a different father. I say “family” because your original Sim, a woman, will marry and have a “traditional family,” but there will be a whole heck of a lot that’s not traditional, too. Why do this challenge at all? Well, I always tend to create sims that look alike. To help me spread my wings a little, I thought I’d try something like this.

To start, create a female adult Sim in CAS. You may choose her aspiration, appearance, personality, turn-ons and turn-offs if you’d like, but I find it more fun to randomize. If anyone would accept a suggestion, I highly recommend a travel-sized Yahtzee game to help with random selection of many, many things. I won’t bore you with ways to randomly select things; you’ve done a lot of that and you undoubtedly have your preferred methods. I would suggest not having too much CC genetics for your original sim, or else you’re going to have 26 very similar looking children in one or more attributes. It would make sense to make her a popularity or romance sim for the father-finding end if you decide not to randomize, but she’ll also have a lot of children, so family makes sense on the other end. In the end, it’s up to you.

Move her into a lot. This can be a pre-made lot with an existing house, or an empty lot of any size. Just remember, once she moves in, you won’t be allowed to move her back out or use any money cheats, so choose wisely. There is a point bonus for starting her out on an empty lot; this bonus is greater if your sim did not attend university, since she would have less time to earn cash and start buying furnishings, but there is still a bonus for a university graduate start on an empty lot. I think starting from scratch, especially with Seasons installed, is tough, but do-able. I don't want to forbid pre-made houses (yours, others' or Maxis') because some folks just don't get the same kick out of building I do, but since it does require more effort to build a house while also playing the challenge, there's a bonus for it.

The husband must be an NPC, downtownie or townie (or anyone else non-playable), and, for reasons you’ll see later, he cannot be Mr. Big or really anyone recognizable as a special character at all. Your sim may not marry immediately. She instead must wait until her first child has passed from toddler to child before she marries. She can, of course, be planning ahead and find her guy and fall in love, but she may not marry him until Baby A is a child. He may not move in until it’s time to marry the bride. This will most likely mean your sim has at least two children, and possibly more, by the time she marries. I figured it would just be too easy to have her marry immediately and get all the money a new spouse brings right at the get-go. As an alternative, if the idea of all these babes out of wedlock offends you, you may create a husband for your sim in the same CAS family with your sim; this way, the amount of money he adds on is minimal. Then again, if all these babes out of wedlock offends you, this might not be the right challenge for you . . .

Your female sim may work, you know, because all those moms on TV with 18 and 42 children also work. Wait, no, they don’t, but I just don’t feel like restricting the mother’s career is a necessary part of the challenge. In fact, it may make it more challenging. There is a catch, though. Your female sim may not hire a nanny herself. Only her husband or a teen child may hire a nanny, and they may only hire her to track their schedule. Thus, when your sim’s husband is at work, the nanny will come to help. When he’s there, he has to help. The same goes with teens: you may hire a nanny to track their schedule, but keep in mind the teens jobs only run for three or so hours, and that’s how long the nanny will stay. If you choose not to have your husband and/or teens work, that’s fine, but that also means those that don’t work cannot hire the nanny. I mean, how would you even pay for the fire-starting, dessert-making, bath-taking, child-ignoring frenzy?

There is a point bonus for not using any other services besides the nanny. These forbidden services, should you choose to try for this bonus are: the butler, the gardner, the repairman and the maid. You may use the pet obedience trainer, but if you do so, you forfeit the point associated with training that pet. You may use the matchmaker, the bartender, the exterminator, the garden club and the pet and human adoption services without losing the no services bonus as these services don't present a significant advantage, and may actually turn out to be more a disadvantage if used. There is a point bonus for additional service sim fathers, detailed with the point count below; since the butler, the gardener and the maid are still service sims, you may hire any or all of them one time, for the purpose of your sim establishing contact with them. Once she's established that contact, you should have her dismiss these sims immediately, without allowing them to perform their jobs.

If you have Apartment Life, the option exists to ask your neighbors to watch your children. If your sim is married and/or has a teenager, only the working spouse or teenage child may ask a neighbor for childcare. The only way your sim may ask a neighbor herself is if she is neither married and none of her children are teens at the time she asks.

Your sim’s husband must remain alive at the end of the challenge. No killing him off, nor allowing him to die for the inheritance. Of course, your female sim must also survive the challenge, and still be an adult, or just recently an elder, to have birthed so many children. The husband can be an elder at the end of the challenge, so long as he remains alive. He must also remain in the household the from the wedding onward.

Your sim must marry before becoming pregnant with Baby N. Part of the fun will be having her get pregnant while sneaking around her husband. She must marry before the challenge is halfway complete. There’s also another reason you’re going to want to have him around for awhile . . .

Your sim’s husband must have an alien baby, the old fashioned way: he must be abducted. If you have Free Time, feel free to use the summon aliens reward. I don’t want to punish people for being as addicted as I am and having them all, of course! Your sim’s husband’s baby does count as one of the 26.

No one else is allowed to move onto the lot. You may adopt, but these children will not count toward your total for the fathers. You may only adopt infants. The only other exception would be a truly accidental death of the husband. You don’t have to replace him if you’d rather not, but if it really was an accident, there’s no harm in replacing him. Again, it has to be another NPC. Another option is listed at the end when I briefly discuss the actual children.

Half of the conceptions have to occur on the lot; that’s 13. More can occur, but not less. The husband's alien child does count as one conception on the lot, provided that's where he was when he was abducted. If your sim purchases a vacation home, she may conceive children there, but they will only count as "at home" conceptions if her husband is also present on vacation with her at the time.

You may use the voodoo doll to accelerate or initiate any single relationship with one potential father. Once used thus, it cannot be used thus again. It can still be put to any other use you'd like. You may use love potion, given its very temporary and rather mild effects.

Now to the other fathers. Your sim must have a child with 25 different sims. If a pregnancy results in twins, that’s still only one father, so it only counts as one, not two. There must, however, be a set of twins in there somewhere. If they happen naturally, awesome. If they have not happened naturally, for whatever reason, by Baby T, you may use cheesecake to create them. You may not boolprop twins. I don’t think that’s really going to be necessary, since the game designers made the incidence of twins approximately 20 times higher than in occurs in people naturally, but you never know.

Here’s a list of other kinds of fathers. I tried to separate out those that you can have with just the base game, but it’s been so long since I had just the base game, I no longer remember exactly what came with which. Also, there are so many that are half in the base game category, and half in an expansion pack, my efforts to make two separate lists were thwarted. If you cannot make 26 with just the base game and EPs that you have, you may need to add others, such as a child with one man of every aspiration, or a man with each sign of the zodiac, etc. There are also going to be way more than 26. I had picked out ones that I think should be priorities as they‘re the most interesting, but you can choose among them yourself to make up the alphabet. This community has no shortage of creativity, so I'm sure the choices will be interesting to say the least.

A father for each one of the three different kinds of blue eyes, one for brown eyes, and one for green eyes. This is going to mean a lot of close-ups to determine eye color in townies. Remember that the baby needn’t have the same eye color as the father. This will especially be the case if you select dominant genetics for your original sim.

A father for each color of hair, brown, black, blonde, red, custom and gray. Yes, this means she’ll have to have a child with an elder. Custom refers to any hair that bins into the custom hair bin, not new hairstyles that bin into one of the current hair colors.

A father with elven ears.

A father who is an elder. This is a separate attribute from the hair category. Of course, unless you CC your elders up quite a bit, they’re both likely to have gray hair, but some overlap is going to be inevitable.

A father who is her husband. Yup, he’s going to get his, too, don’t worry. Obviously, the fact that he is her husband means that he cannot fill any other attribute requirement, hence why a Joe Nobody works best.

A father who is a service NPC. I’ve hemmed and hawed on how to define this, so I’m just going to define who they are and leave it at that. For the sake of this challenge, a service NPC will include male maids, butlers, gardeners, exterminators, the repo man, police officers, firefighters, mail carriers, repairmen, delivery personnel, cashiers on community lots, cafeteria workers in universities, DJs, drivers, tour guides, hotel staff and any and all restaurant staff, including the food judge on the cuisine hobby lot. Some of these will be easier to connect with than others, but they all fit a general service category in my mind.

A father who is female. Yes, this will require boolprop or a game mod, so if you’re not comfortable with that, just choose another father.

A father who is a college student.

A father who is a professor.

A father who is a breakdancer.

A father who is a mascot. Llama or cow, it doesn’t matter. The coach and the streaker also count here, if you so desire. I was going to suggest not putting your sim through college first, but I realize now that adults sims cannot visit university lots. That said, it would be a good idea to put your sim through college long enough to meet a mascot and get them into your contacts bin, then drop them out or continue on with college as you desire.

A father who is the headmaster.

A father who is an alien. This is different from the husband/alien baby. Here the father of the child must be the one who is the offspring of an alien abduction, not the child.

A father who is a vampire.

A father who is a plantsim.

A father who is Santa Claus or Father Time.

A father who is a vacation native. The baby must be conceived on vacation. Extra points if you conceive one in each vacation destination. There's also a bonus for skills learned from vacation dads.

A father who is a werewolf.

A father who is a ghost. I’m not sure if this is possible, but maybe someone can try and tell me? I suppose you could also do this by killing someone, having pictorial evidence of the phantasmic state (so he has to haunt once), then fully rezzing him and having his baby. The pirate ghost also counts here.

A father who is a zombie.

A father who is the unsavory charlatan. Your sim must interact with him, including the risk of getting pickpocketed.

A father who is a mannequin. This includes the “living statue” character. For a regular mannequin, woohoo should be the course of the day. I'm not sure if woohoo with the living statue is possible; if so, great! If not, let's say you'll need to tip him. Any amount is okay. Not all guys give up their swimmers for free, you know!

A father who is the grim reaper.

A father who is the social bunny. No, you probably won't be able to woohoo the bun, unless you've got some serious modding going on, but your sim will require a visit from the social bun-bun and will need to complete one interaction with it before allowing it to go (and before you swifly manipulate its genetics).

A father who is the shrink.

A father who is a simself. You may use mine, or anyone else's, male or female, with or without custom content.

A father who is a servo.

A father who is a bigfoot. You won't be able to woohoo, so hugging will have to suffice here.

A father who is a genie.

A father who is a witch. An extra point if you have one of each.

A father who is a black sheep. We'll define "black sheep" as a combination of all the creatures which your personal collection of expansion packs supports. It's not necessary for this father to be all of the creatures at the time of conception, only that he's been all the creatures in his lifetime. The black sheep father may be created by any method you choose, but if you create him without cheating, there is a point bonus.

A father who is a burglar. No, you are not expected to conceive the child during his initial visit, but yes, in order for him to count, you’re going to have to let him steal something. Getting over that initial resentment is part of the challenge.

A father your sim meets using the matchmaker. He doesn’t have to be young or pretty, so feel free to spend as little as you’d like. Randomness is good. Dates obtained by using the wishing well also count for this category.

A father who is Mr. Big.

A father who is The Slob.

A father who is a hobby icon. Any of them are fine. More points if you collect them all.

A father who is the mother, i.e. a plantspore baby. Obviously, this would involve making your sim a plantsim first. I see this as having plenty of both advantages and disadvantages, so I thought I'd throw it in there.

A father of the different signs of the zodiac. You would use "Ask . . . What's your Sign?" to discover it. You MUST use that interaction, even if you already know the sim's sign, for this to count as this category of babydaddy.

I count a kajillion there, so that should given anyone lots and lots of choices.

Each father can fill only one requirement. If, for example, your sim, Mary, has a child with a man named John, who has blonde hair and skin #4, John may only count for the blonde father, or the skin #4 father, not both. Feel free to move them around if you’re able. If John was meant to be the blonde father, but later on another blonde guy comes along and you really want Mary to have a child with him, you can bump John into the skin #4 slot, if you haven’t already filled that one. If you have, as long as you can bump that guy into yet another slot, you can still move them around. I suggest keeping a detailed list of just who everyone’s father is, and what their attributes are, even if you’re not using them for that particular attribute.

A note about the more peculiar fathers. There’s absolutely no need to do everything the old fashioned way, only what’s specified above. If you want to boolprop a zombie to live next door so your sim can meet him and ultimately produce a child, feel free. The courtship and woohoo should be cheat-free, however. The pregnancy, also, should be cheat-free unless, in the case of certain creatures, you need to boolprop to make them either selectable, or to produce a pregnancy.

The kids should be named following the letters of the alphabet. It can be the English alphabet, or any other; I’m not picky. The challenge will be complete no sooner than when Baby Z becomes a teen (so we can se what s/he looks like, of course!) but no later than when baby Z becomes an adult or goes to college, each child has a different father, per the list, and hubby is still alive. Why the alphabet? Ummm, because the one I use on an everyday basis has 26 letters and that’s a lot, and it would not be challenging if it weren’t a lot. If you’d rather number them, be my guest. As for the kids aspirations, feel free to choose, or randomize, depending on how difficult you want it to be. Feel free to use elixir of life on the children themselves, but if you do so, you forfeit any skilling bonus that child might otherwise be entitled to (see scoring below). Once the kids a) turn into adults or b) leave for college, they may not return. The only circumstance under which a child may stay as an adult is if the husband has died (and it has to be a real accident).

Points: I really don’t care about points, but I thought I’d make a scale for those who want one.

+ 1 point for every child with a different father; add 0.5 points if twins result beyond the single required set; add another 0.5 points (per extra baby, beyond two) if you've got triplets/quads and you get . . . wait for it . . . triplets or quads. -1 point if you never have twins.

- 0.5 point for any child who is not a twin but shares a father with one of its siblings. In other words, two pregnancies by the same dad.

+ 0.5 point for every child born before your sim marries and her husband moves in, minus one. Since he cannot move in until baby A is a child, you don't get this bonus for Baby A, and since he must move in before Baby N, you cannot receive this bonus for Baby N or any subsequent children. You can receive it for babies B through M, however, as long as your sim remains single. If twins result from B through M, you do receive this bonus per child, not just per pregnancy.

+ 5 points if you have a child with every male member of the garden club; these can, of course, also fulfill another criterion and you’d still receive this bonus.

+ 5 points if you have a child with every male hobby icon; these also can fulfill another criterion and still qualify you for this bonus.

+ 1 point for each additional NPC you use as a father, after the first one. NPCs will still be defined by my list above.

+ 10 points if your sim never goes into aspiration failure

- 0.5 point every time she does go into aspiration failure

+ 5 points if your sim’s husband reaches the top of any career for the first time, add one additional point for every additional career he maxes out

+ 10 points if your sim does the same

+ 5 points if your sim and/or her husband achieve their LTWs (5 points for each); this counts only for each sim's original LTW. If your sims achieve multiple lifetime wants, you receive five points for the first one and one additional point for each LTW. If you happen to achieve a LTW for any of the children before they leave home, you may give yourself five points for that as well.

+ 5 points if your sim doesn’t use any services (maid, gardener, butler, repairman) aside from the nanny; you do not lose this bonus for using the emergency tab on the phone to summon the relevant sims.

+ 5 points for any additional alien abductions of any adult in the household, beyond the required one; 5 additional points if that alien abduction results in an extra green baby, beyond the required one.

+ 10 points for any alien abductions of teens; given limited time and resources, these are harder to achieve and worth more accordingly.

+ 1 point for having a child with each type of witch: good, bad and neutral.

+ 5 points for a black sheep father created without cheating.

- 5 points for every child taken by the social worker. You’re not having all these children just to give them away. If the social worker comes and you successfully plead for your child(ren), this deduction is only -1 point. Both deductions are per child. Also deduct 5 points for any teen that runs away.

- 10 points for any (and every) child that dies; the ways to kill them are pretty restricted, so they're easy to avoid, especially with the social worker on the loose; this point loss does not apply to teens, who can look after themselves.

+ 5 points if you have a child conceived in each of the vacation destinations. The child’s father can meet any other requirement; only the vacation conception is necessary to gain this bonus.

+ 1 point for each and every skill you learn from a vacation dad; since these fathers can meet so many other requirements, and because they're such a motley crew, I don't think they need their own category; you do, however, get an additional point for learning any dance, gesture, skill or story, or completing a task set forth by a vacation native before having his child. You don't have to learn from these sims to use them as fathers, just to gain the extra point.

+ 5 points if you have a child with each of the social bunnies. Bunnies need love, too, and we all know how bunnies can reproduce.

+ 1 point for every child that learns all its toddler skills (just potty, walking and talking, the nursery rhyme isn't necessary), learns to study before teening and gains at least one scholarship to go to college with. If you can teach your kids and pop them out, you should be rewarded. :lol: Note: the teen doesn't actually have to go to college; s/he just has to get the scholarship. If you use elixir on any single offspring at any point, you forfeit any skilling bonus that offspring may have earned. It does not negate the bonuses his/her siblings may have earned.

+1 point for each child that gets into private school.

+ 5 points for each teen that has 10 or more scholarships when s/he departs for college; any ten will suffice. Again, actual college attendance is not required. The same restriction regarding elixir stands as above for this bonus as well.

+ 1 point for every gold badge earned by a child before s/he leaves home. Restrictions regarding elixir still apply.

+ 3 for adopting a child. This is a one-time bonus, so you earn three points no matter how many children you adopt. As stated above, you may only adopt infants. This bonus is forfeited if your adopted child(ren) is(are) removed, even if you successfully plead and win him/her(them) back. Your adopted children are eligible to earn you skilling point bonuses.

+ 1 point for every pet you teach all tricks to during the challenge; the pet need not remain alive at the end. Because, you know, you won't have enough to do.

+ 5 points if you never use the Gootentaugen, Jumbok or snapdragons on anyone. +5 more points if you never use any career or aspirational rewards at all. You can still gain this bonus if you use Elixir of Life, giving the limited number of options we have to extend our sims' life expectancy in TS2.

+ 5 points if your sim does not attend university and starts her family on an empty lot. +2 points if she does attend university, but still starts on an empty lot. No point bonus is awarded for a university graduate moving into an house which is already built.

+ 20 points if you upload any or all of your story so that I might read it

As for other rules, there aren’t many. Feel free to open businesses, use all the items your sim and her family can earn, and generally run amok. Oh, wait, one more rule: I want pictures! This could be very entertaining, so I want to know how it goes.

Mods to allow mannequin babies to be born can be found at Mod the Sims 2 by either bloodredtoe or treeag. I use the one by bloodredtoe and it’s worked just fine for me.

Just so no one accuses me of sexism, feel free to try this challenge with a man instead. You’d have to, of course, boolprop nearly all the pregnancies instead of just a few, but if that’s your game, go for it. Keeping in mind that you’d have to have him still woohoo each person before boolpropping a pregnancy.
Last edited by CSquared on February 14th, 2010, 9:56 am, edited 59 times in total.
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Re: Who's Your Daddy? Challenge

Postby mountainshade1 on April 8th, 2009, 1:43 pm

I am definitely going to give this challenge a go, I already have the perfect sim for it, and I even know who I want the husband to be. About your rule that the husband must be a NPC; can I let her marry a townie instead? I have a specific townie in mind.

Also, I think I can use the sim blender to make her pregnant with a social bunny and one of the human statues (I have never tried, I just know the option is there), but what should I do beforehand? Perhaps the requirement should be that she meets/sees a human statue, and has at least one visit from the social bunny, prior to making her pregnant via the sim blender?
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Re: Who's Your Daddy? Challenge

Postby CSquared on April 8th, 2009, 5:55 pm

Good questions, Shadey.

Ummm, yers, it would be hard to woohoo with a social bunny. Yes, let's say she must receive a visit from the social bunny and complete one social interaction with it, of any kind at all. Maybe extra points if you have one with each social bun? As far as the human statue . . . let's say she has to tip him, any amount? Not all guys let their swimmers go for free, after all! :lol: I'm not sure on this one; he appears in my catalog of sims with my mod tools, so you may be able to form a real relationship with him (there are actually several) once you get a phone call through to him. If not, tipping will be sufficient.

About the NPC husband; I need to edit my verbage. I mean only that he be a non-playable sim, one whose attributes you can't control. That said, we all fudge the rules on these things when we play, so if such suits you, feel free. I know you're dying to use Vidcund, I just know it. ;)

I'm thinking I should put mine in Desiderata. That place is far too wholesome and definitely needs a baby-crazy mothering frenzy.

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Re: Who's Your Daddy? Challenge

Postby Teresa on April 8th, 2009, 8:46 pm

I am going to try this simply because I love making sims have babies. I am going to simplify it though and just say every pregnancy has to have a different daddy and not actually track characteristics or whatnot. And most if not all the baby daddies will be playable sims - simply because the only neighborhood I have is the megahood from MTS2 and it also has my apocalypse in it so I don't want my non-playables coming into that family having made a baby elsewhere ;) while I have no problem messing up the playables lives. *woops*

I created my mommy sim and made her husband in CAS with her. I believe she is pregnant with pregnancy #1 as I use ACR with no sound :? and they were like little bunnies the first day in the house. Oh and I have done the start-with-nothing too many times, so they got +100,000 so they could move into the big house in Pleasantview after which they had 9k left over. I will post the updates on my blog :) eventually (maybe by this weekend). 8-) And the mommy's name is Tabitha Tumbles (there is a story there haha). *cat*
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Re: Who's Your Daddy? Challenge

Postby mountainshade1 on April 9th, 2009, 2:29 am

>Agh< Teresa, you've started already? :D I'm itching to begin mine, itching big time. I look forward to see yours.
I like the idea that some of the daddies are difficult to get, like the burglar, the fire fighter and the grim reaper, and I like that some of the babies can be concived in different locations, like all three holiday locations, for extra points.

I haven't explored the human statues very much yet, but I will make sure my "mum" spends some time tipping him and let him scare her.

I meant to ask about the ghost daddy, can you Boolprop the mum pregnant with him/her?

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lol I do like him, but in this case my chosen townie husband has an old connection to the sim who will be the mum. Oh I can tell you - it's Komei Tellerman. 8-)
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Re: Who's Your Daddy? Challenge

Postby CSquared on April 9th, 2009, 4:27 am

Ack! *jaw* Teresa, you've started already?! (Was that exactly what Shady said? Go figure!) Eep! I hope to start mine this weekend. I've already decided I'll do whichever dads are convenient for me, just to see how the challenge works and what might need changing. I'm still contemplating who to use as a founder.

Shadey, I'm not really sure on the ghost thing. I've never seen it mentioned anywhere at all. I changed the ghost daddy verbage to say that he should have been a ghost once, but needn't be one any longer. You know, he dies, you have to see him haunt once, then you can rez him and have his baby. I won't get a chance to play before this weekend or I'd try it out sooner. If anyone comes up with an answer, please do let us know.

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Re: Who's Your Daddy? Challenge

Postby CSquared on April 12th, 2009, 7:44 am

Wowee! I'm still playing my sim through college, but I can't get enough of her! I'm having a fantastic time! I've seen others think ahead with legacies and apocalypses (apocalypsi? apocali? is it really an apocalypse if it can happen more than once? anyway . . . ) and decide what they need to do or buy or earn to make things easier later on. I've always had trouble with that before, but this time I think I hit the nail right on the head. My sim is Dara Calypso (no relation to Apocalypsos), a hippie temptress. I made her, only to match the hippie lifestyle I wanted her to have, a pleasure sim. Lo & behold she rolls 50 1st dates as her LTW! How appropriate! I made her secondary aspiration romance. I had planned to change those later on to family/grilled cheese to make her easy to please with babies and food, but I'm not sure it's going to be necessary. She's platinum 24/7. She's on date #9 right now, in her first semester of sophomore year. I decided the first three bolter I found would be her husband, so she just found him, too. When my sims are in college, I always focus so much on academics, skillskillskill, badgebadgebadge. I did buy her a sewing machine so she can make children's clothes for later on, but I just skill her for what needs for class, let her go to class and never even make her do an assignment. Even with that, she's still got a 4.0. With so many aspiration points, buying all that elixir is going to be easy, and if she can make permaplat during college or shortly after, there will never be a time she can't use it, either. How cool is that?! 8-)

I won't be taking any pictures during college; the challenge is about having the kids, and since that's not possible in college, I'll skip that part. I'll probably do LiveJournal, too; my matrilegacy is so much intensive writing for me, I don't really feel like laying out a plot or anything. Hopefully I'll finish college today and get started on the bebbies!

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Re: Who's Your Daddy? Challenge

Postby mountainshade1 on April 12th, 2009, 9:45 am

LOL that her LTW is to have 50 first dates *laugh* perfect! Can you not show us a pic of her and her husband to be? :D

Nice of you to add the points for the kiddies' skills. I'm wondering if you should add 5 point bonus for a teen who goes to college with a lot of scholarships?

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I'm the same, I just want to play and show without having to think of interesting/funny captions. And, like you I will publish it on Livejournal.

I look forward to see yours Chris. :)
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Re: Who's Your Daddy? Challenge

Postby CSquared on April 12th, 2009, 10:57 am

I went to Snooty Sims because I didn't remember offhand how many scholarships there are. The answer's 14, but one is the orphan's scholarship. We can't include that one since at least the mother will need to be alive when the child goes to college. That leaves 13. Maybe a five point bonus for every teen that gets 10 or more? Do you think that's too difficult? I'm also going to add a minus points for children that die, 10 points, probably, but I'm not going to include teens in that since a) teens can really take care of themselves and b) one of the 13 scholarships is intended for zombie teens, which, of course, involves dying first.

Edit: Just thought of this: Mom could die. She'd have to stay dead long enough for a teen to get the scholarship, then be rezzed, which would take a long spurt of time out of child bearing, but it could be done, so I'll add the orphan's scholarship back in there. Of course, this means the kid's Dad has to die, too. MWAHAHAHAHA

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Re: Who's Your Daddy? Challenge

Postby mountainshade1 on April 13th, 2009, 1:58 pm

She does look cute, completely random eh? Not bad at all, I'm sure she'll produce many fine sproglets.

Of course, the orphan's scholarship should possible the way you explain it, I never thought of that myself. It will be hard to do but hey; this is a challenge!

I have been mulling over the +10 points for any additional alien abductions; do you mean alien abductions which lead to an alien baby or does it apply to anyone in the family? If you mean abduction of anyone I think +10 might be a bit steep, especially as it is much easier to get abducted after the FT ep. Perhaps +5 would do? If you mean abductions which result in an extra little green nooboo then I'm completely in agreement about the +10 points.
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Re: Who's Your Daddy? Challenge

Postby CSquared on April 13th, 2009, 3:28 pm

Hmmm. You're probably right. With FT, it isn't worth 10 extra points. Let's think through this, though. Teens will be most likely to be abducted because of their quantity, but they won't be able to reproduce babies (well, they could, but we're not gonna go there). Plus, to gain the FT bonus, you'd have to commit to using all or nearly all of the teen's secondary aspiration points on the teen's aspiration, which would have to be knowledge. That said, I think teens abductions should still be worth 10 points. That's a lot to make happen. As for the adults, since they've had more time to earn more secondary aspiration points, and will have a ton more time to try being abducted, those, I agree, should only be worth five points . . . unless, of course, you get a baby out of it, then those are defnitely worth 10. Sound reasonable?
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Re: Who's Your Daddy? Challenge

Postby Nisakins on April 13th, 2009, 4:12 pm

Good grief I didn't see the new points until just now -- now I get to take my micro managing to a new level! Always good for me.

I started with a YA named Lacey Looseleaf (blame my husband -- I was stuck on Lacey). Anyway...

Long story short she's through college had three babies, Ashton and twins Brian and Brighton, before she got married to her beloved Hugh -- well I don't know about beloved but at least he lived after their daughter Cecily was born. The others have gone the way of the cow plant to give me free elixir. It's a quirk of mine but I hate having random NPC fathers just possibly running around town for generations so this way they're out of my way and serve a purpose.

I just finished up another week and she is pregnant with "D". Can't wait to get back to her but I have lots of pics and I'm hoping to get them set up on LJ sooner rather than later.

Love reading how others are doing and this is so much fun!
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Re: Who's Your Daddy? Challenge

Postby omgz dani on April 13th, 2009, 5:09 pm

Ooh! This sounds like a lot of fun, and I love checking out sim genetics and the like. Maybe I'll give it a go when I finish my OWBC. Although seeing as I currently have a new chapter AND heir poll out I might allow myself to at least START something new, right? :lol:

And Chris, if I may call you that, I think Dara's really pretty and unique. :) Good luck!
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Re: Who's Your Daddy? Challenge

Postby CSquared on April 14th, 2009, 6:01 am

Dani - of course you can call me Chris. Dara turned out very well. I picked her hair color (it's actually red) and style, her eye color and her skin tone so that I would have some recessive genetics and all the kids wouldn't look alike, but the facial features themselves were selected, as I mentioned above, randomly. I was ready to scrap her and just pick if she turned out awful, but she has a sort of earthy, mischievous sort of charm.

Nisa - oh, but I'm excited to see your pictures! I don't get much time to play during the week, so Dara's been stuck where I left her, in her junior year, on date #14, no babies in sight as yet. I only work a few hours today, though, so maybe I can get some more simming in between laundry and dishes. *nod*

I'm so pleased that there are simmers taking an interest in this. Thanks for trying it out!
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Re: Who's Your Daddy? Challenge

Postby fuzzy spork on April 15th, 2009, 12:49 pm

Hi Chris. I uh, may or may not be considering doing this challenge. *shifty* And I may or may not have the following questions about it...

Bigfoot... I don't have much experience with him. I don't know if Sims can interact with him romantically (like with Servos) but I'm pretty sure they can't have a baby with him naturally. So that will have to be manipulated. BUT, are there any stipulations to that? Does the Sim simply only have to meet him? Become friends with him? Or should he have to move in with her long enough for the pregnancy to get done, then move out again? (never mind, the rules say no one else moves in)

It seems like some kind of interaction is required for the pregnancy to count with some of the more unusual characters... like tipping the Human Statue. Though, there really aren't any interactions with Grim (except for begging) but that's a given. So what about the Ninja? But only if your Sim learns to teleport from him, maybe? That would be tricky, as you would have to be fast on the trigger there. Or track him down again to get the pregnancy done after learning to teleport. What about the Old Man who teaches you the Dragon Tale? And that Witch Doctor??

And the Fire Dancers. Learn the fire dance, and get a baby? lol The Pirate Ghost?! Since a Sim can interact with him, it might be possible to cheat a pregnancy with him... and if that's possible, can he count as the father who is a ghost? (Can you tell I'm determined to have a large collection of Vacation Babies?)

I guess I can use them if I want to. Just suggestions for the Baby Daddy list. ;)
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Re: Who's Your Daddy? Challenge

Postby CSquared on April 15th, 2009, 3:16 pm

Wow, Fuzzy, I can't believe I left those out! When I was first thinking of the challenge, I was thinking "creatures" and which creature came with which expansion pack. Only later did it turn into an alphabet sort of exercise. So let's think . . .

Bigfoot . . . you'd have to find him, of course, although I did say you could cheat to find the odder fathers. I . . . may or may not have never found him myself . . . *whistle* Most of my sims go on honeymoons consisting of trying not to die in the hotel. Soooooo, yes, you'd have to meet Bigfoot, but then . . . well, I don't want to make it too, too hard, but I'm beginning to see that what appeals to some people is raising all these different kids, while what appeals to others is finding the dads to have the kids. Shall we say you have to hug Bigfoot? I love the photos of Bigfeet hugging sims, so let's do that. Hugging = babies. Kinda like Sims 1, where kissing = daisy-covered infants. Since you're supposed to come as close to real woohoo and pregnancy as possible, I think hugging the big guy fits the bill.

Now on to the others I hadn't already included. I don't want to tell anyone how to play this challenge any more than I have to; part of the fun is choosing yourself how you'll do it. I want goals and ideals to inspire, not rules and regulations to follow. Since all those vacation characters you mentioned fit into many, many other categories, I'm not going to make a special addition for them, i.e. a dad that's the witch doctor, a dad that's the pirate ghost, etc. However, I'll do this, and you can tell me what you think. There's already a bonus for a child conceived in every vacation destination. What about a bonus if you learned the skill from the relevant character, then had their baby? Learn to teleport = telebaby. Learn the dragon tale = dragon baby. Maybe an extra point each? The father could fit any other category (vacation native, elder, hair color, whatever) and you'd get an additional bonus for learning the skill. I'm going to throw the masseuses in there, too. Please, let me know what you think (Fuzzy & everyone else, too). If someone comes up with a better way to take advantage of these characters that opens up options rather than limiting them, I'm all for it. Also please, please, please tell me if my verbage makes sense. I'm not 100% sure how to phrase some of this stuff in a clear manner, so if something makes you go wazzat?, please let me know.

And thanks to Fuzzy! Bon Voyage for me, like for so many others, is kind of blah, but you're really opening my eyes to its possibilities. :D
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Re: Who's Your Daddy? Challenge

Postby Nisakins on April 15th, 2009, 9:01 pm

Those are all good ideas actually. I tried to meet and greet most of my fathers while still in college just to make my life easier but there are a few I've missed -- the local warlock is being very stubborn showing up -- and replacing a father or two on vacation would be cool. I've never "boolpropped a baby" but there's a first time for everything.

Chris -- I've got a couple posts up for the challenge (finally)! I still haven't sorted through all the pics but it's a start. Link in my sig if you or anyone else is interested.
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Re: Who's Your Daddy? Challenge

Postby mountainshade1 on April 16th, 2009, 12:28 pm

CSquared wrote:Hugging = babies.
*laugh*

I really like the idea of the extra bonus for learning the skills from the relevant vacation dad, thanks for adding that.

I was thinking, now teens can achieve a big bonus for getting all the scholarships, and getting abducted is one of the criteria - will that teen collect points for both the "All Scholarships" bonus and the "Abducted teen" points?

Also, will you allow teens the Elixir of Life? That would make both the above bonuses easier, and kinda feels like cheating. Rule of thumb in challenges is; if it feels like cheating - it probably is. :(

Nisakins; I had a read of your challenge and so far you're doing very well, though what a shame you got twins so soon. :lol:

Oh Chris, by the way, what should we abbreviate this challenge to? WYDC?
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Re: Who's Your Daddy? Challenge

Postby Nisakins on April 16th, 2009, 1:41 pm

I second WYDC.

For my vote I think you should get points for both teen bonuses but I defer to the creator! As far as elixir I may not be the one to give an opinion on that as I tend to shy away from elixir challenge or no -- it's not that I'm not sad to see my sims go but it's more of an in with the new feeling for me so I likely wouldn't do it. So far though I've seen nothing in the rules to prohibit the use of any aspiration awards if you have the points to spend on them!

I know what you mean though about feeling like cheating. I was really unsure if I should use the genie lamp but I finally gave in even though that's a free 10 points for never going into aspiration failure and a lot of extra starting cash. I just reasoned with myself for a while I didn't cheat to earn the lamp so using it is alright. I think with teens and elixir you can go the same route -- okay I'm giving myself extra days but I'm still doing the work to get the scholarships!

I am playing for points as best I can but there are some things I probably won't try too hard for just because there's so much else going on. I do want to get started on raising pets though. For this many kids I'm thinking labradors!

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Re: Who's Your Daddy? Challenge

Postby CSquared on April 16th, 2009, 4:29 pm

I was thinking, now teens can achieve a big bonus for getting all the scholarships, and getting abducted is one of the criteria - will that teen collect points for both the "All Scholarships" bonus and the "Abducted teen" points?


I think the answer to this should be "yes." A teen needn't obtain all the possible scholarships to gain the scholarship bonus; only ten of the 14 are necessary. The Extraterrestrial Reparations Grant isn't necessary to fulfill the requirements for the scholarship bonus, nor are any scholarships necessary to fulfill the requirement for the abduction bonus. Since you can do either one without the other, I think both points are deserved. If you choose to make them mutually inclusive, I don't find any problem with sending the simMartians really smart kids, do you? *alien* *whistle*

Also, will you allow teens the Elixir of Life? That would make both the above bonuses easier, and kinda feels like cheating. Rule of thumb in challenges is; if it feels like cheating - it probably is.


Agreed. No elixir for teens, or you forfeit the skilling bonuses that teen might earn. That said, it can be an individual decision for each teen. Just because you elixir Alex doesn't mean Zachary can't still gain skilling bonuses.

WYDC? Why not? WYDC not? :lol:

I suppose I should go ahead and make a formal request the moderators of this forum (Teresa being one) to leave this thread open for awhile. I know it's normally reserved for discussing the challenges themselves, and this so far would probably be better off in challenge chat, but maybe we could keep it until we have several people play it through the ask questions and sort out the bugs in the rules? I'd really appreciate it. *nod*
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